Usually I really hate when techie journalists take their personal experiences and extrapolate a national trend from them, but this time I think I may be safe going out on this particular limb. What limb, you say? This one: I suspect Windows Server 2008, Standard Edition may end up being the world's newest Windows desktop OS of choice, at least for high-end users. In fact, I suspect that with a bit of rebranding, Microsoft might ameliorate its Vista problems.
By the time Server 2008 shipped, I had worked with it quite a bit. I couldn't help noticing that, despite the fact that its innards were about a 98 percent match with Vista SP1's internal pieces, Server 2008 was a whole lot snappier than its desktop OS sibling, due no doubt to the lack of the Aero Glass interface. If, however, you really, really want Aero Glass on your server, you can get it back ? ensure that you've got a Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) driver for your server, go to the System applet and click the "Advanced" tab, click "Performance Options" and then the "Visual Effects" tab and choose "Adjust for best performance," enable the "Desktop Experience" feature, make the "Themes" service auto-start and start it up, change your theme to "Windows Vista," then go to "Windows Color and Appearance" and choose "Windows Aero" and tada, you've got "Aero Server"! (Actually that's not as crazy as it initially sounds – to my knowledge, the only way to offer Windows 2008 Server Terminal Services clients a Vista-like desktop is to make that terminal server "glassy".)
What really got me thinking about a "2008 desktop" was Server's new virtual machine manager, "Hyper-V". I can't live without OS virtualization and have been a big fan of VMware Workstation, but Hyper-V unleashes the power of the "VT" chip that my laptop is built around, so I seem to sometimes get better performance out of my virtual machines (VMs) with Hyper-V than even VMware Workstation could provide. (I'd make a few timing measurements to back that up, but Microsoft has taken to forbidding people from publishing benchmarks on its software. Perhaps the Hummer guys should just claim that they get 54 miles per gallon on in-city driving, and then require an "owner license" that forbids Hummer owners from publishing mileage benchmarks. No, on second thought, I take that back – no sense in giving 'em any ideas.)
In any case, I've been dual-booting my laptop between Vista and Server 2008, and my "2008 workstation" has treated me fairly well so far. Oddly enough, Performance Monitor reports that when booted up and running no applications, my Aero Glass-equipped system uses about 750MB memory. I say that it's odd because, in comparison, Vista Ultimate uses 1080MB in that situation – heck, that gives me enough RAM to run an extra Microsoft Virtual Server 2003. (Oh, darn … was that a benchmark number I just reported? I hope not.) I suspect that some desktop applications might refuse to install because it's "Windows NT Server 6.0" rather than "Windows NT Workstation 6.0," but I'd imagine that a bit of messing with the Compatibility tab of those applications' setup.exe/install.exe programs might fix that. The biggest stumbling block that I've run into so far is that Hyper-V systems can't support standby and hibernate modes of power management. Suboptimal, but I'm willing to live with it. (Power management in general has always given VMware Workstation heartburn anyway.)
So Microsoft … how about it? Instead of frantically trying to shift the conversation away from the marketing disaster of Vista to the far-off, pie-in-the-sky Windows 7, why not just add Hyper-V to Server 2008 Web Edition and call it Windows Server 2008, Desktop Edition? From what I've seen, it'd be sleeker and faster than Vista, even on Aero Glass. Put in a few restrictions: it can't become a domain controller (DC); no more than, say, five connections on Terminal Services; and max out the simultaneous file server connections at 10 as you've done for years with the workstation product. Leave in Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption and – killer feature! – Windows PowerShell, and price it like Windows Vista Ultimate. Replace Task Manager with Sysinternals' Process Explorer (with a one-click / Group Policy option to return to the antediluvian Task Manager), and at that point I suspect that a good number of those "opinion leader" types that marketeers like so much might be talking about Windows on the desktop again, smiling this time.
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An extremely interesting idea. Better than suffering through Vista while waiting to see what Windopws 7 will bring to the table. Now to go and test this myself... Thanks for the article and idea!
tfournier July 02, 2008 (Article Rating: )
I cam across this a while back and infact this isn't a new idea. Pirate copies of a 2008 "workstation" were released. Problem with this idea is that hardware manufacturers are not releasing audio drivers for Server 2008 and Vista drivers may not run on Server 2008. Similarly some applications may also not run on Server 2008. Live Messenger is one indirectly. You can't use the stub installer. you must install from the MSI.
ebraiter@videotron.ca July 02, 2008 (Article Rating: )
I wonder what the 1st Amendment of microsoft's benchmark ruling will be?
IPARM July 02, 2008 (Article Rating: )
I ran this for a while too. A big problem that's not mentioned is all the apps that have server and wrkstn versions. Of course the server versions are a lot more expensive. If they made a 2k8 server that allowed wrkstn apps to install, that would be the ticket!
Mark@McGeeTechnologyGroup.com July 02, 2008 (Article Rating: )
As ebraiter mentioned, it is the driver support that will get you. Not just audio, however. HP refuses to support Server (any flavor) on laptops. They also actively try to keep you from making it work! Most of their driver setup programs will refuse to run on Server. I was able to get Win2003 running on a nw9440, but only after a lot of manual driver installs and a lot of grief.
It gets worse. Now that the newer models and chipsets are out, they are intentionally disabling the VT extentions. The HP 8710s laptops have a BIOS setting for enabling VT, but it has no effect and VT can not be turned on. The HP 8600 Workstation machines do not even have a BIOS setting to enable VT!
What vendor did you get your laptop from, and do they officially support Win2008 Server or did you just "make it work?"
For those interested in testing the capabilities of their hardware, Steve Gibson has a cool utility here:
http://www.grc.com/securable.htm
Cutter July 02, 2008 (Article Rating: )
Actually, I'm running WS2008 on my Dell laptop for more than a year now, starting with Beta 3. very stable, very snappy. I would never go 'back' to vista. only issues I have encountered so far, is that I'm running 64-bit version of WS2008 and our IT department doesnt install 64-bit printer drivers on our printers so I have to install the printers myself.
bzanten July 03, 2008 (Article Rating: )
Actually, I'm running WS2008 on my Dell laptop for more than a year now, starting with Beta 3. very stable, very snappy. I would never go 'back' to vista. only issues I have encountered so far, is that I'm running 64-bit version of WS2008 and our IT department doesnt install 64-bit printer drivers on our printers so I have to install the printers myself.
bzanten July 03, 2008 (Article Rating: )
Or M$ could just continue to sell XP until Windows 7 is available. Even easier ; - )
jkohut@agfinance.com July 03, 2008 (Article Rating: )
I well remember MS's discomfort when folks figured out that NT 4 Workstation was NT Server wih a few things turned off. It didn;t take too long before there was a vocal group extolling the virtues of using the Server version, depending on what they did. As time passed, the need for this kind of thing seemed to decline. Until Vista. Despite lots of arguing that Server 2008 uses the same kernel as Vista and cannot offer any advantage over Vista on the desktop, I have rarely seen anyone who wrote about a negative experience with using Server 2008 as a desktop OS. To be sure, this is notfor the average bear. And many vendors, especially in the security arena, differentiate between server and desktop versions and prevent substitution of the lower cost desktop version. Should need arise, I will ceratinly try to use Server 2008 first and settle for Vista only if I truly get stuck.
opteron July 03, 2008 (Article Rating: )
When it comes to installing workstation apps, it's fairly simple to just lie to them about what OS they're installing on.
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